Crucible of Worlds and Burgeoning

[Dave]

Hi all,

This one should be pretty simple. A player at a game last night
thought he could use the effect of Burgeoning and play lands from
his graveyard via the Crucible ability.

We all jumped on him saying that the land cards aren't actually in
his hand, so he couldn't play them with Burgeoning via the Crucible,
and while he seemed resigned to believe us, he was determined to
get a ruling on it, so I thought I'd beat him to the punch.

Crucible of Worlds
{3}
Artifact
You may play land cards from your graveyard as though they were in
your hand.

Burgeoning
{G}
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent plays a land, you may put a land card from your
hand into play.

Still, I couldn't claim I knew this was a no-go 100%, so I thought
I'd ask. No can do, right?

- Dave

[The Kicksen]

Post by Dave
Hi all,
This one should be pretty simple. A player at a game last night
thought he could use the effect of Burgeoning and play lands from
his graveyard via the Crucible ability.
We all jumped on him saying that the land cards aren't actually in
his hand, so he couldn't play them with Burgeoning via the Crucible,
and while he seemed resigned to believe us, he was determined to
get a ruling on it, so I thought I'd beat him to the punch.
Crucible of Worlds
{3}
Artifact
You may play land cards from your graveyard as though they were in
your hand.
Burgeoning
{G}
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent plays a land, you may put a land card from your
hand into play.
Still, I couldn't claim I knew this was a no-go 100%, so I thought
I'd ask. No can do, right?
- Dave

Yep. The lands actually arn't in his hand, so he can't play them from
his hand.

[Jeff Heikkinen]

Dave, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...

Post by Dave
Hi all,
This one should be pretty simple. A player at a game last night
thought he could use the effect of Burgeoning and play lands from
his graveyard via the Crucible ability.
We all jumped on him saying that the land cards aren't actually in
his hand, so he couldn't play them with Burgeoning via the Crucible,
and while he seemed resigned to believe us, he was determined to
get a ruling on it, so I thought I'd beat him to the punch.

I can sort of understand his error, since Crucible does say "as though
they were in your hand" and the difference between "play a land" and
"put a land card from your hand into play" isn't, to most people,
obvious just from the words.

Nevertheless, you are correct. Crucible lets you do one specific thing
to lands in your graveyard, namely play them in the normal fashion that
you get to do once during your main phase, as though they were in your
hand. "Play" is not the same as "put into play", Burgeoning doesn't
interact with Crucible. (Compare Gaea's Touch and Fastbond, both of
which do interact with Crucible of Worlds).

Post by Dave
Crucible of Worlds
{3}
Artifact
You may play land cards from your graveyard as though they were in
your hand.
Burgeoning
{G}
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent plays a land, you may put a land card from your
hand into play.
Still, I couldn't claim I knew this was a no-go 100%, so I thought
I'd ask. No can do, right?
- Dave

[Daniel W. Johnson]

Post by Dave
Hi all,
This one should be pretty simple. A player at a game last night
thought he could use the effect of Burgeoning and play lands from
his graveyard via the Crucible ability.
We all jumped on him saying that the land cards aren't actually in
his hand, so he couldn't play them with Burgeoning via the Crucible,
and while he seemed resigned to believe us, he was determined to
get a ruling on it, so I thought I'd beat him to the punch.

He can't *play* lands with Burgeoning regardless of where they are:

Put Into Play
If an effect instructs a player to put an object into play, that object
is not considered "played."

The rules for "as though" also seem relevant (especially the Future
Sight example):

"As though"
Text that states a player or card may do something "as though" some
condition were true applies only to the stated action. For purposes of
that action, treat the game exactly as if the stated condition is true.
For all other purposes, treat the game normally.
Example: Giant Spider reads, "Giant Spider may block as though it had
flying." You may treat the Spider as a creature with flying, but only
for the purpose of declaring blockers. This allows Giant Spider to block
a creature with flying (and creatures that "can't be blocked except by
creatures with flying"), assuming no other blocking restrictions apply.
For example, Giant Spider can't normally block a creature with both
flying and shadow.
Example: Future Sight reads, "Play with the top card of your library
revealed. / You may play the top card of your library as though it were
in your hand." The revealed card may be played by the usual rules. If
it's a spell, it's placed on the stack as the first step of playing it
(see rule 409, "Playing Spells and Activated Abilities"); if it's a
land, it's put directly into play. Because the card isn't actually in
your hand, it can't be discarded, removed from the game to pay a cost,
cycled, or counted toward the number of cards in your hand.
Example: Rolling Stones reads, "Walls may attack as though they weren't
Walls." As long as this effect is active, Walls are treated exactly like
creatures that don't have the Wall creature type for the purposes of
declaring attackers. They're still subject to all other rules and
effects that determine whether an attack is legal.
If two cards state that a player or card may do the same thing "as
though" different conditions were true, both conditions could apply. If
one "as though" effect satisfies the requirements for another "as
though" effect, then both effects will apply.
Example: Two effects read, "You may play cards in your graveyard as
though they were in your hand," and "You may play cards from other
players' graveyards as though they were in your graveyard." Both effects
apply. You may play cards in your graveyard and cards in your opponents'
graveyards. (The cards may be played by the usual rules.)

[David DeLaney]

Post by Dave
This one should be pretty simple. A player at a game last night
thought he could use the effect of Burgeoning and play lands from
his graveyard via the Crucible ability.

He can play lands from his graveyard via Crucible just fine. If he does,
_opponent's_ Burgeoning will trigger; his own will not.

He can't use his own Burgeoning to _put land cards into play from_ his
graveyard, because that's not what Crucible says you can do with them; all
it says is that you can "play" them, meaning using your one-per-turn Main-phase
special action, from a different place than usual. Playing a land is a Special
Action; it causes a land to be put into play, but not vice versa.

Post by Dave
We all jumped on him saying that the land cards aren't actually in
his hand, so he couldn't play them with Burgeoning via the Crucible,
and while he seemed resigned to believe us, he was determined to
get a ruling on it, so I thought I'd beat him to the punch.

Burgeoning does nothing to let you play lands at all, Crucible or no Crucible,
so doesn't particularly interact with Crucible in any way. The cards that DO
interact with it:

Fastbond
Gaea's Touch
Exploration
Summer Bloom
Journey of Discovery
Storm Cauldron

These are the existing cards which allow you to _play_ additional lands on
your turn. (Cards which allow you to play lands from other _places_, or to play
cards from places other than your hand, don't in general interact with Crucible
either.)

Dave

[Chris Mattern]

Post by Dave
Hi all,
This one should be pretty simple. A player at a game last night
thought he could use the effect of Burgeoning and play lands from
his graveyard via the Crucible ability.

Ur, no. Burgeoning doesn't allow you to play lands.

Post by Dave
We all jumped on him saying that the land cards aren't actually in
his hand, so he couldn't play them with Burgeoning via the Crucible,

You can't play them with Burgeoning at all. Burgeoning allows you
to *put lands into play*, which is *not* "playing" them. This may
seem to be a nitpick, but it's not. "Playing" and "Putting into
play" are two very distinct things in Magic, and you will not
understand how many cards work if you do not understand that they
are not the same thing.

Post by Dave
and while he seemed resigned to believe us, he was determined to
get a ruling on it, so I thought I'd beat him to the punch.
Crucible of Worlds
{3}
Artifact
You may play land cards from your graveyard as though they were in
your hand.
Burgeoning
{G}
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent plays a land, you may put a land card from your
hand into play.
Still, I couldn't claim I knew this was a no-go 100%, so I thought
I'd ask. No can do, right?

No can do.

Post by Dave
- Dave