Is there a way to make something lose "legendary" type (supertype?)

[Rick Kunkel]

Subject line says it all...

Is there currently ANY way to make a permanent lose "legendary"
status?

(Is "Legendary" a supertype?)

Thanks,

Rick Kunkel

[Jeff Heikkinen]

Rick Kunkel, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...

Post by Rick Kunkel
Subject line says it all...
Is there currently ANY way to make a permanent lose "legendary"
status?

Nope, not as far as I can see. Changing their creature type used to be
enough to do this, but that changed when...

Post by Rick Kunkel
(Is "Legendary" a supertype?)

... the supertypes were created. This is a fairly recent rules change.
Legendary is one of them, and Basic is the other. Things that change
types (like Soul Sculptor) and subtypes (like Unnatural Selection) leave
supertypes alone. There are some ways to mess around with the Basic
supertype, but not with Legendary, since a card would have to
specifically say that it did so, and so far none do. (The overwhelming
majority of existing cards were printed when there was no such thing as
a supertype, so they didn't account for this possibility.)

[Rick Kunkel]

Post by Jeff Heikkinen
Rick Kunkel, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...

Post by Rick Kunkel
Subject line says it all...
Is there currently ANY way to make a permanent lose "legendary"
status?

Nope, not as far as I can see. Changing their creature type used to be
enough to do this, but that changed when...

Post by Rick Kunkel
(Is "Legendary" a supertype?)

... the supertypes were created. This is a fairly recent rules change.
Legendary is one of them, and Basic is the other. Things that change
types (like Soul Sculptor) and subtypes (like Unnatural Selection) leave
supertypes alone. There are some ways to mess around with the Basic
supertype, but not with Legendary, since a card would have to
specifically say that it did so, and so far none do. (The overwhelming
majority of existing cards were printed when there was no such thing as
a supertype, so they didn't account for this possibility.)

The reason I ask, of course, is so that I can get 4 Krark's Thumbs in
play... ;)

RIck

[Lee Sharpe]

Post by Rick Kunkel
Subject line says it all...
Is there currently ANY way to make a permanent lose "legendary"
status?

Not currently, no. (Note the same is not true of the creature subtype
"Legend.")

Post by Rick Kunkel
(Is "Legendary" a supertype?)

Yes, it and basic are the only two supertypes at present.

[Jeff Heikkinen]

Lee Sharpe, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...

Post by Lee Sharpe

Post by Rick Kunkel
Subject line says it all...
Is there currently ANY way to make a permanent lose "legendary"
status?

Not currently, no. (Note the same is not true of the creature subtype
"Legend.")

True - but changing that no longer changes whether the creature is a
legend. (For a long time it did.)

(I'm sure *you* know that, Lee, just posting for the benefit of anyone
who might misunderstand what you intend by that last sentence.)

[Rick Kunkel]

Post by Jeff Heikkinen
Lee Sharpe, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...

Post by Lee Sharpe

Post by Rick Kunkel
Subject line says it all...
Is there currently ANY way to make a permanent lose "legendary"
status?

Not currently, no. (Note the same is not true of the creature subtype
"Legend.")

True - but changing that no longer changes whether the creature is a
legend. (For a long time it did.)

Ack. Now I'm confused. Do you mean that if I change Rayne, Academy
Chancellor into a goblin, she DOESN'T lose the Creature Type (AKA
Subtype) Legend?

--Rick

Post by Jeff Heikkinen
(I'm sure *you* know that, Lee, just posting for the benefit of anyone
who might misunderstand what you intend by that last sentence.)

[David DeLaney]

Post by Rick Kunkel

Post by Jeff Heikkinen
Lee Sharpe, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...

Post by Lee Sharpe

Post by Rick Kunkel
Subject line says it all...
Is there currently ANY way to make a permanent lose "legendary"
status?

Not currently, no. (Note the same is not true of the creature subtype
"Legend.")

True - but changing that no longer changes whether the creature is a
legend. (For a long time it did.)

What? No. "Legend" is a creature type, "legendary" is a supertype. If a
creature stops being a Legend but stays a creature, it's no longer subject
to that particular state-based effect; if it stops being a creature, then
it stops being a Legend in the process AND doesn't become legendary. If
a legendary noncreature permanent becomes a creature, it's still legendary
but does NOT gain creature type Legend.

But yes, changing a creature's creature type away from or to "Legend" _does_
affect whether it abides by the relevant state-based effect, still.

Post by Rick Kunkel
Ack. Now I'm confused. Do you mean that if I change Rayne, Academy
Chancellor into a goblin, she DOESN'T lose the Creature Type (AKA
Subtype) Legend?

No, she does; "goblin" overwrites "legend" (unless the effect making her
a goblin says she's still got her old creature type(s)). Goblins don't abide
by 420.5e; Legend creatures and legendary permanents do, but she's not either
one any more.

Dave

[David DeLaney]

Is there currently ANY way to make a permanent lose "legendary" status?

A Legendary permanent in general? No. (Certain specific ones, ones that are
what they are because of a copy effect and that can have another copy effect
change what they are? Yes. But only those.)

(Is "Legendary" a supertype?)

Yes. (205.4c, 215.*)

Dave