Casting costs of artifact lands

[unknown]

Hi All

Yesterday in my playing group, we had a discussion about casting cost of
artifact lands:

Is it {0} or doesn't it have a casting cost?
I know its not a spell, and thus wouldn't be affected by stuff that alters
spells casting cost etc..

The reason this came up was, that I had an Gorilla Shaman in play and wanted
to destroy a Seat of the Synod with it.
Is that possible?

See card details below.
TIA, Jan


Card : Gorilla Shaman
Cost : R
Type : Summon Gorilla
Power : 1/1
Wording : <XX1>: Destroy target non-creature artifact with casting cost
equal to X.
Edition : AL - Alliances
Rarity :
Colour : Red


Card : Seat of the Synod
Cost :
Type : Artifact Land
Power :
Wording : (Seat of the Synod isn't a spell.) T: Add U to your mana pool.
Edition : MI - Mirrodin
Rarity : Common
Colour : Land

[Ken Briscoe]

Post by unknown
Hi All
Yesterday in my playing group, we had a discussion about casting cost of
Is it {0} or doesn't it have a casting cost?
I know its not a spell, and thus wouldn't be affected by stuff that alters
spells casting cost etc..

Artifact lands have no casting cost. Their converted mana cost is 0, though.

Post by unknown
The reason this came up was, that I had an Gorilla Shaman in play and wanted
to destroy a Seat of the Synod with it.
Is that possible?

The Mox Monkey can destroy the Seat of the Synod (or any other Artifact
Land) by paying 1 colorless.

[Peter]

Post by unknown
Hi All
Yesterday in my playing group, we had a discussion about casting cost of
Is it {0} or doesn't it have a casting cost?
I know its not a spell, and thus wouldn't be affected by stuff that alters
spells casting cost etc..
The reason this came up was, that I had an Gorilla Shaman in play and wanted
to destroy a Seat of the Synod with it.
Is that possible?

***
203.1. The mana cost of a card is indicated by mana symbols printed on
its upper right corner. Tokens and lands have a mana cost of {o0}.
Paying an object's mana cost requires matching the color of any
colored mana symbols as well as paying the generic mana cost
indicated.
***

Lands do have a mana cost, defined at 0. And though these are
Artifacts, they are not spells, and there's nothing on the card or in
the rules that indicates they should have anything but a zero mana
cost.

***
212.2f Artifact lands combine the characteristics of both the land and
artifact types, and are subject to spells and abilities that affect
either or both types. Artifact lands can only be played as lands. They
can't be played as spells.
***
Also, they are artifacts, so they are subject to artifact destruction,
such as your gorillas possess.

Peter
- who heard a Veridian Shaman refered to as a "monkey" the other day
by an old-timer.

[Zoe Stephenson]

Post by unknown
Hi All
Yesterday in my playing group, we had a discussion about casting cost of
Is it {0} or doesn't it have a casting cost?

The rules call this the 'mana cost' of a permanent. The relevant rule:

203.1. The mana cost of a card is indicated by mana symbols printed
on its upper right corner. Tokens and lands have a mana cost of {0}.
Paying an object's mana cost requires matching the color of any
colored mana symbols as well as paying the generic mana cost
indicated.

Post by unknown
I know its not a spell, and thus wouldn't be affected by stuff that alters
spells casting cost etc..

Things like Trinisphere won't affect players playing artifact lands, no.
Artifact lands follow the rules for playing lands, not the rules for
playing spells.

Post by unknown
The reason this came up was, that I had an Gorilla Shaman in play and wanted
to destroy a Seat of the Synod with it.
Is that possible?

Yes.

Post by unknown
See card details below.

The current Oracle text:

Gorilla Shaman {R} Creature -- Ape 1/1
{X}{X}{1}: Destroy target noncreature artifact with converted mana
cost X.

You can choose 0 for X, and then target a Seat of the Synod: it correctly
matches "noncreature artiface with converted mana cost 0".

[Lee Sharpe]

Post by unknown
Hi All
Yesterday in my playing group, we had a discussion about casting cost of
Is it {0} or doesn't it have a casting cost?

By rule, artifact lands, like all lands, have a mana cost of {0}.

Post by unknown
I know its not a spell, and thus wouldn't be affected by stuff that alters
spells casting cost etc..

Nothing ever alter's a card's mana cost or converted mana cost.

Post by unknown
The reason this came up was, that I had an Gorilla Shaman in play and wanted
to destroy a Seat of the Synod with it.
Is that possible?

Yes, X is 0, and a Seat of the Synod is a perfectly valid artifact, and it
has converted mana cost 0.

[unknown]

Thanks to all who answered.
You gave me the answer I was expecting and hoping for :)

/Jan

Post by Lee Sharpe

Post by unknown
Hi All
Yesterday in my playing group, we had a discussion about casting cost of
Is it {0} or doesn't it have a casting cost?

By rule, artifact lands, like all lands, have a mana cost of {0}.

Post by unknown
I know its not a spell, and thus wouldn't be affected by stuff that alters
spells casting cost etc..

Nothing ever alter's a card's mana cost or converted mana cost.

Post by unknown
The reason this came up was, that I had an Gorilla Shaman in play and wanted
to destroy a Seat of the Synod with it.
Is that possible?

Yes, X is 0, and a Seat of the Synod is a perfectly valid artifact, and it
has converted mana cost 0.
--
DCI Level 2 Judge

[David DeLaney]

Post by unknown
Yesterday in my playing group, we had a discussion about casting cost of
Is it {0} or doesn't it have a casting cost?

Noncopy tokens, and lands, have mana cost 0. Thus a land's converted mana cost
is 0 also.

Post by unknown
I know its not a spell, and thus wouldn't be affected by stuff that alters
spells casting cost etc..

Yes; playing a land isn't the same as playing a spell.

Post by unknown
The reason this came up was, that I had an Gorilla Shaman in play and wanted
to destroy a Seat of the Synod with it.
Is that possible?

Sure; it's an artifact with cmc 0. (It's also a land; the Mox Monkey doesn't
care about that.) It will cost you 1 (= 0 + 0 + 1) to do this.

Dave