Discussion:
Flooded Strand & Dual Lands
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Paul Cordes
2003-12-15 20:02:21 UTC
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Flooded Strand reads as follows:

Tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice flooded strand: Search your library for a plains or
island card and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.

Could I used FS to pull one of the old dual lands (say, Taiga) where it says in
the text "This land counts as a plains/island and a <insert other land type
here>"?

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Daniel W. Johnson
2003-12-15 20:21:21 UTC
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Post by Paul Cordes
Tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice flooded strand: Search your library for a
plains or island card and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
Could I used FS to pull one of the old dual lands (say, Taiga) where it
says in the text "This land counts as a plains/island and a <insert other
land type here>"?
Sure, why not? A Tundra card (for example) is a Plains card, isn't it?
And Flooded Strand doesn't specify that the card must be a basic land
card.

Dual Land (Informal)
Ten "dual land" cards were printed in early Magic editions; each of
these has two basic land types. For example, Taiga has the land types
Forest and Mountain. Dual land cards have the default abilities of both
basic land types and are treated as both by all spells and abilities
that specifically refer to those types. However, they are not basic
lands. A dual land card doesn't count as two lands while in play--it's
just one land with multiple land types.

Oh, and you might want to check the current Oracle text for them:

Tundra
Land -- Plains Island
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Dave
2003-12-15 20:21:55 UTC
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Post by Paul Cordes
Tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice flooded strand: Search your library for a plains or
island card and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
Could I used FS to pull one of the old dual lands (say, Taiga) where it says in
the text "This land counts as a plains/island and a <insert other land type
here>"?
Yep. As you pointed out, the old dual lands count as the
respective basic land types, so the fetch lands like
Flooded Strand can get them.

- Dave
Dave
2003-12-15 20:41:16 UTC
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Post by Paul Cordes
Tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice flooded strand: Search your library for a plains or
island card and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
Could I used FS to pull one of the old dual lands (say, Taiga) where it says in
the text "This land counts as a plains/island and a <insert other land type
here>"?
Yep. As you pointed out, the old dual lands count as the
respective basic land types, so the fetch lands like
Flooded Strand can get them.
Just to clerify, as Daniel pointed out, while it counts
as a plains and an island, dual lands themselves are not
considered basic lands.

- Dave
Lee Sharpe
2003-12-15 20:43:17 UTC
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Post by Paul Cordes
Tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice flooded strand: Search your library for a plains or
island card and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
Could I used FS to pull one of the old dual lands (say, Taiga) where it says in
the text "This land counts as a plains/island and a <insert other land type
here>"?
Yes. Those lands have the Oracle text rewoerded to:

Taiga
Land -- Plains Island

and the like. "Count as" is now obsolete; things simply either are that or
are not. Since they are Plains or Islands, they can be found. (Note that
you can also grab a Forest Plains with Flooded Strand since it's still a
Plains, for example).

- Lee
David DeLaney
2003-12-16 01:15:25 UTC
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Post by Paul Cordes
Tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice flooded strand: Search your library for a plains or
island card and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
Could I used FS to pull one of the old dual lands (say, Taiga) where it says in
the text "This land counts as a plains/island and a <insert other land type
here>"?
Since it does not say "for a Basic Plains or Basic Island card and" (note that
captalizations have changed in the last couple Oracle releases), sure, you
may get one of the seven cards that are either a plains card or an island
card, but are not basic. (Out of the ten old dual lands, there will always
be seven that count as one or the other for any pair of basic land types.)

If it specified "basic" then you could not do this.

Dave
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