Double strike question

[ch4dwick]

If a creature was killed by a double strike creature on the first strike
step will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal combat
phase?

[David de Kloet]

Post by ch4dwick
If a creature was killed by a double strike creature on the first strike
step will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal combat
phase?

Only if it has trample. Since it's still considered blocked it won't deal
damage to defending player unless something like trample says it can.

But what if Thorn Elemental would get double strike? I think you only can
deal all 14 damage to defending player or none, right? Or can you start
using the ability between dealing first strike damage and dealing normal
damage? What kind of ability is this anyway?

Thorn Elemental
{5}{G}{G}
Creature -- Elemental
7/7
You may have Thorn Elemental deal its combat damage to defending player as
though it weren't blocked.


David

[Mike McC]

Post by ch4dwick
If a creature was killed by a double strike creature on the first strike
step will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal combat
phase?

How does Double Strike interact with Gratuitous Violence or Furnace of Rath?

Mike McC

[Daniel W. Johnson]

Post by David de Kloet
But what if Thorn Elemental would get double strike? I think you only can
deal all 14 damage to defending player or none, right? Or can you start
using the ability between dealing first strike damage and dealing normal
damage? What kind of ability is this anyway?

It's an ability that modifies the rules, much like trample. You make
the decision indicated each time you assign combat damage from it. If
you use something like Relentless Assault or find a way to give it
double strike, the decisions are independent.

[ch4dwick]

...meaning you can assign none, 7, or 7 twice to the defending player.

Ouch. That's one nasty blow!

[Lee Sharpe]

Post by ch4dwick
If a creature was killed by a double strike creature on the first strike
step will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal combat
phase?

No, unless it has trample. A creature is considered blocked once a
creature was declared to be blocking it, and continues to be, even if all
blockers are no longer in-play. However, if it has trample, since all
blockers have been assigned lethal damage, you could assign the normnal
combat damage to the defending player.

--
Lee Sharpe
DCI Level 2 Judge

[Lee Sharpe]

Post by Lee Sharpe

Post by ch4dwick
If a creature was killed by a double strike creature on the first strike
step will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal combat
phase?

No, unless it has trample. A creature is considered blocked once a
creature was declared to be blocking it, and continues to be, even if all
blockers are no longer in-play. However, if it has trample, since all
blockers have been assigned lethal damage, you could assign the normnal
combat damage to the defending player.

I may have misinterpreted your question, thinking "it" was the double
strike creature. If you were refering to the other creature, it will be
in the graveyard after first strike damage is dealt, and it will have no
opportunity to deal it's normal damage. (My previous answer is also still
correct, it all depends on which creature you meant.)

--
Lee Sharpe
DCI Level 2 Judge

[Mark Landin]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:29:39 +0800, "ch4dwick"

Post by ch4dwick
If a creature was killed by a double strike creature on the first strike
step will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal combat
phase?

I would think not...

If a creature is "dealt lethal damage" by a creature with first strike
(or double-strike), wouldn't state-based-effects send it to the
graveyard at the end of the first strike combat steps before it got a
chance to participate in it's own normal combat steps?

[David DeLaney]

Post by Mark Landin

Post by ch4dwick
If a creature was killed by a double strike creature on the first strike
step will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal combat
phase?

I would think not...
If a creature is "dealt lethal damage" by a creature with first strike
(or double-strike), wouldn't state-based-effects send it to the
graveyard at the end of the first strike combat steps before it got a
chance to participate in it's own normal combat steps?

No. state-based effects would send it to the graveyard _right after the
damage had finished being dealt_. It would have no reason to hang around
until that combat-damage step ended; damage, and state-based effects,
don't "wait until end of turn / phase / step / stack" or anything like that.

But yes, the killed-by-first-strike-damage creature won't be there later
when "normal" combat damage goes on the stack, so won't get to put any
on the stack.

Dave

[Andy Jakcsy]

ch4dwick sez:

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Post by ch4dwick
If a creature was killed by a double strike creature on the first strike
step will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal combat
phase?

Not unless the Double Striking creature has Trample. Even though the creature
has no blockers during the second damage-dealing step, it's still blocked.

(Oh yeah, and you have pronoun trouble in your question...it should read: "If
a double strike creature kills its blocking creature on the first strike damage
step, will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal damage step?"
See? An answer and an English lesson :) )


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[David DeLaney]

Post by ch4dwick
If a creature was killed by a double strike creature on the first strike
step will it be able to deal damage to the player on the normal combat
phase?

You're asking, I assume [you don't actually specify] whether the
double strike creature will be able to. ("Obviously", the killed creature
won't be able to - it's not there any longer.) The answer is that IF
the double-strike creature is attacking, and IF it has Trample, at the
time the second combat damage step [not "phase" - all of Combat, containing
all five or six or three steps, is the phase] starts, then it will get
to assign combat damage to defending player. If it's not attacking, obviously
it won't; if it doesn't have Trample, it's still a blocked attacker, and
blocked attackers without Trample don't get to assign combat damage to anything
other than creatures blocking them.

Dave