Black Lotus/ Gilded Lotus

[magpie]

I dont get what the big deal is with Black Lotus and why it became
banned and restricted and why they havent reprinted it, in my opinion
it isnt all that great, Gilded Lotus is much more powerful than the
Black Lotus.

Black Lotus 0

T, Sacrifice Black Lotus: Add three mana of a single color to your mana
pool.

Gilded Lotus 5

T: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.

[Jonathan Fourie]

Post by magpie
I dont get what the big deal is with Black Lotus and why it became
banned and restricted and why they havent reprinted it, in my opinion
it isnt all that great, Gilded Lotus is much more powerful than the
Black Lotus.
Black Lotus 0
T, Sacrifice Black Lotus: Add three mana of a single color to your mana
pool.
Gilded Lotus 5
T: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.

How long have you been playing? If you have been playing for a while, you
should know about other cards that could combo with it.

Black lotus--- drop it turn one, play a land, you know have 4 mana available
on turn one, turn 1 kill combo is now possible, but that is a story for the
strategy newsgroup... not this newsgroup

Thank you

Jonathan Fourie
TO & L1 Judge
Klerksdorp
South Africa
"i am superman"
--- Pemmin, when he saw that Morphling was not coming back.

[magpie]

Yeah sorry, i know it wasnt a rule related Q. but just wanted to
know...and next time i'll ask the right place for the answer lol.

[l0ne (on mac)]

Post by magpie
I dont get what the big deal is with Black Lotus and why it became
banned and restricted and why they havent reprinted it, in my opinion
it isnt all that great, Gilded Lotus is much more powerful than the
Black Lotus.

You didn't play T1 very much, did you?
Anyway, not a rules-related question. Wrong newsgroup, sorry.

- ∞

[Jeff Heikkinen]

Chances are suprisingly good that magpie was not wearing pants when he

Post by magpie
I dont get what the big deal is with Black Lotus and why it became
banned and restricted and why they havent reprinted it, in my opinion
it isnt all that great, Gilded Lotus is much more powerful than the
Black Lotus.
Black Lotus 0
T, Sacrifice Black Lotus: Add three mana of a single color to your mana
pool.
Gilded Lotus 5
T: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.

First, this is not a rules question.

Second, having access to three extra mana ON THE FIRST TURN is huge.
Some of the things you can do with that make it so there usually won't
BE a fifth turn, which is when you would normally be able to play Gilded
Lotus. Sometimes there won't even be a *second* turn.

There's also the fact that Gilded Lotus gives you something that, in
order to be able to play it at all, you need to already have plenty of.
Gilded Lotus is a mediocre card that, if I recall correctly, made hardly
any impact on the tournament scene (and while I realize that's not the
only way to play Magic, it *is* the closest thing there is to a good,
objective way to measure how powerful a card is), whereas there is
practically no deck that would not be improved significantly by adding a
Black Lotus.

[David DeLaney]

Post by magpie
I dont get what the big deal is with Black Lotus and why it became
banned and restricted and why they havent reprinted it, in my opinion
it isnt all that great, Gilded Lotus is much more powerful than the
Black Lotus.

Heh. So not true.

Post by magpie
Black Lotus 0
T, Sacrifice Black Lotus: Add three mana of a single color to your mana pool.

This costs 0. If it weren't restricted, you could conceivably have four of
them in play -on your first turn-. Same with the Moxes. It's not all that
visible to new players if they don't think about it, but Magic has a very
decided 'clock' built in: you can play one land per turn. (Yes, there are
lands that make multiple mana, but they come into play tapped or require
you to sacrifice or bounce a land already there, or some such.) The Moxes
and the Lotus extremely broke the "you'll have one mana available on turn 1"
paradigm.

Post by magpie
Gilded Lotus 5
T: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.

This costs _5_. You can't even cast it normally until after a Type I game
is generally over (they usually last 1, 2, or 3 turns max...). Yes, it gives
you three of those mana back that turn, and gives you extra mana on each turn
after that - but extra mana on turn 6 is MUCH MUCH less powerful than extra
mana on turn 1 or 2.

This wasn't really a rules question, but .strategy is pretty dead these days
- but I'll set followups.

Dave